Discussing the Unpersuasive Ways Forward

by Joshua Foust on 10/1/2009 · 9 comments

In one sense, all the discussion about how to move forward in Afghanistan is moot—until Barack Obama makes his do-I-stay-or-do-I-go decision, the how of either of the three main decisions (escalate, maintain but redirect, drawdown) really doesn’t matter too much. That being said, it’s still interesting to examine the many cases being discussed if only for how poorly reasoned they are.

First up is Peter Bergen, talking about why we need to stay and fight on.

If U.S. forces were not in Afghanistan, the Taliban, with its al-Qaeda allies in tow, would seize control of the country’s south and east and might even take it over entirely. A senior Afghan politician told me that the Taliban would be in Kabul within 24 hours without the presence of international forces. This is not because the Taliban is so strong; generous estimates suggest it numbers no more than 20,000 fighters. It is because the Afghan government and the 90,000-man Afghan army are still so weak.

This is actually not a given; regardless, the Taliban don’t need to conquer Kabul for anything other than the power of symbolism—they can eke out a reliable safe haven from the “Pashtun Belt” along the south and east. The 24 hour estimate is wildly exaggerated—without impugning anyone’s honor, let’s just say a “senior Afghan politician” has a good reason for scare-mongering on this front, especially if he gave up his western passport sometime in the last eight years.

Bergen ably highlights many of the flawed assumptions that seem to lie beneath most arguments for withdrawal—Afghanistan is not an invented nation, any more than the U.S. is, for example, and there is really no such thing as an infamous Afghan Xenophobia (again, at least any more so than an American xenophobia).

But beyond simply pointing out a few easily debunked Orientalist assumptions about Afghanistan, Bergan doesn’t really make any case. Trying to argue, as Ann Marlowe has, that Afghanistan today is better off than American ghettos in the early 1990s is not just unpersuasive, it borders on the racist (and still misleading, because no one liked the ghettos anyway). He’s right to say that a reduced CT mission leads to temporary and, in a very real sense misleading success, but declaring an obligation to the Afghans themselves does not immediately follow as the U.S. government’s solemn duty. From an ethical perspective, we most certainly do owe the Afghans better than the lazy half-assed mission we’ve given them so far, but the sad and difficult fact of international relations is that national interests are, in many respects, amoral. But Bergan doesn’t make a case for Afghanistan from an American perspective, at least explicitly… and that just won’t fly right now.

In the same issue of Time is well-known Afghanistan expert Leslie Gelb (ahem) saying… well, I don’t really know. In March he wanted a contradictory set of objectives (“separate out non-extremist Taliban,” “the Taliban are extremists and not to be trusted”), though now his thinking seems to have evolved a tiny bit. Even so, make sense of this:

Hawks on Afghan policy — those who favor defeating al-Qaeda through a full-blown counterinsurgency strategy involving up to 40,000 more U.S. troops — have divined a politically clever line of argument: Win or get out.

Its a phony choice. The hawks know there’s no chance of our simply pulling out of Afghanistan. That option isn’t even on the White House table, despite growing public desire to end the war. The true aim of the hawks, or all-outers, in this maneuver is to discredit the real policy alternative — the middle ground. Their ploy is to portray the middle way as simply a cover for getting out.

Okay, considering that in that very issue, the literal page before, Peter Bergen was specifically arguing against Gelb’s “middle ground,” methinks this is a poorly-disguised strawman. In fact, the only person I know who has presented the choices in Afghanistan as all-in or fold is Rajiv Chandrasekaran, and he was quoting anoni-staffers. Does Gelb make an honest argument?

Hawks on Afghan policy — those who favor defeating al-Qaeda through a full-blown counterinsurgency strategy involving up to 40,000 more U.S. troops — have divined a politically clever line of argument: Win or get out.

Its a phony choice. The hawks know there’s no chance of our simply pulling out of Afghanistan. That option isn’t even on the White House table, despite growing public desire to end the war. The true aim of the hawks, or all-outers, in this maneuver is to discredit the real policy alternative — the middle ground. Their ploy is to portray the middle way as simply a cover for getting out. (See pictures of Gitmo detainees.)

But there is a real and strong middle option: to put ourselves and friendly Afghans in a position to manage future terrorist threats in that country without a major U.S. combat role. We can accomplish this by doing what we actually know how to do: arm, train, divide the enemy, contain and deter.

This is the challenge with offering competing proposals: it sounds lovely, until you realize we have already tried those things. From top to bottom, Gelb’s ideas betray a shocking ignorance of both recent events and medium-term history, whether calling the British experiences there a success (another one???), or the strange assumption that either Iran or Pakistan would grant us overflight rights should we chose to dramatically downsize our presence there (as a landlocked country, “offshoring” is a bit complex).

Gelb is not a stupid man by any stretch—his credentials and experience speak more than enough for his obvious intelligence, but his ideas are just baffling. Arming people to defend themselves resulted in mass defections to the Taliban. Training the ANSF has been, at best, a mixed bag, with some good units and some appallingly bad units. We’ve been trying to negotiate with the Taliban (i.e. “split the moderates from the extremists”) since 2002 or so, the result being that most of the militants who were interested in reconciling already have. There are a few exceptions here and there, but if Gelb is to advocate more negotiations, then he should probably account for why the previous seven years of attempts have managed only to swell the Taliban’s numbers. Lastly, the contain and deter parts hold very little water: neither al Qaeda nor the Taliban have shown themselves particularly deterrable (in the case of the Taliban) or even containable. In fact, the only thing even sort of keeping the Taliban and AQ at bay in Afghanistan right now is a strong Western military presence. You can’t halt the spread of these groups through flying robots and SF raids.

But it’s not even the grand issues that bear reconsideration. People like to talk about corruption as the biggest problem in Afghanistan, too, especially when they want to highlight the vacuity of the military-only approaches of people like Bergen and Gelb. In this, CSIS’ Karin von Hippel is a great example:

The opportunity provided by this confluence of conditions — in Afghanistan and the West — should be seized by all actors without delay. A new, more mature and responsible partnership needs to be forged, one that is publicly grounded in the mutual recognition that both the Afghan government and coalition countries have fallen far short in delivering on promises. Both sides of the partnership need to commit to radical changes in performance, and shift from co-dependence to mutual reinforcement.

Starting with the Afghan side, the Afghan government is riddled with corruption and has been mostly unable to deliver basic services and security or establish minimal rule of law standards. This, in turn, has enabled the Taliban to return in a far more lethal and networked manner than a decade ago. Elections that are increasingly being viewed as illegitimate have only provided additional fodder for the Taliban propaganda machine, and undermine what little support the Afghan government may still have with its people.

I’ll never argue with her contention that the International Community has systematically failed the Afghan people, and the results have been catastrophic (no joke, I was arguing this in January of 2008!). But at the same time, while it is a serious issue, corruption cannot be said to be the entirety of Afghanistan’s problems: neighboring countries that are near Afghan on Transparency International’s corruption index—countries that have also had to deal with Islamist insurgencies like Tajikistan and Uzbekistan and even Iran, have not seen the populist spread of the Taliban like Afghanistan has.

Corruption, therefore, cannot be the sole cause of the Taliban. That is because the Taliban gain legitimacy through the systematic failure of both Afghanistan’s government and the Aid Complex that has parasitized it. Even the grand thinkers on reforming Afghanistan don’t seem to grasp just how fundamental the problems really are, whether corruption (which IS a serious problem, just not the ONLY problem), sloppy and unresponsive governance, a broken economy, shattered infrastructure, an uncontrolled border, and a constitution seemingly designed to encourage abuse and authoritarianism, with duplicated ministries all overseen by different NATO countries so we all can feel productive.

Increasing transparency, as von Kippel advocates, is a necessary part of them. But it’s only a teeny tiny part of it, and so universally agreed upon it’s more a truism than a serious argument.

And that’s the real problem in all of this. The debate exists in the realm of truisms and sloganeering, with everyone speaking such beautiful empty nothings it’s difficult to disagree unless one writes an entire treatise. Which is what this post is teetering on the verge of becoming. The point is, knowledge must inform our policy choices as much as principle—having one without the other leads to really terrible choices. Surely our experts owe us that much, yes?

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– author of 1771 posts on Registan.net.

Joshua Foust is a Fellow at the American Security Project and the author of Afghanistan Journal: Selections from Registan.net. His research focuses primarily on Central and South Asia. Joshua is a correspondent for The Atlantic and a columnist for PBS Need to Know. Joshua appears regularly on the BBC World News, Aljazeera, and international public radio. Joshua is also a regular contributor to Foreign Policy’s AfPak Channel, and his writing has appeared in the New York Times, Reuters, and the Christian Science Monitor.

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B October 1, 2009 at 8:03 pm

Josh,

Uzbekistan and Afghanistan are apples and oranges in the insurgency realm. The government of Uzbekistan is almost as much of a systemic failure as the government of Afghanistan, and its effectiveness makes it far more predatory-consider having the option of either paying a 100% tax on a foreign import car, or getting a Tashkent Kia for $10K on an Uzbek paycheck. Also, your odds of being murdered by the government for dissent are a lot higher there than in Afghanistan (I believe.) However, what’s keeping the place from going boom (for now, at least,) are following factors:
1) Uzbekistan had its homegrown insurgents crushed by the Red Army in the 1920′s and 30′s; even Afghanistan was not viable as a safe haven, since the Soviets would just cross the border. The survivors learned how to live within and work a totalitarian system through corruption in the absence of a viable alternative. By now, people’s tolerance levels for an incompetent and predatory government barging into their lives are very high.
2) Uzbekistan’s population is much more educated than that of Afghanistan, and isn’t prone to take the IMU seriously. Maybe the rural areas are an exception, but the Haryps who live there don’t make the weather like they do in Afghanistan, because…
3) Uzbekistan is much more urbanized than Afghanistan. So the population relies much more on the government and the infrastructure.

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Joshua Foust October 2, 2009 at 5:50 am

BUT, even then, a significant enough number of them had joined the IMU. It nevertheless faded out.

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Keith October 1, 2009 at 9:40 pm

Joshua,

I served in Afghanistan in 05, 06, and 07 and I can promise you that none of the missions I took part in were “lazy, half-assed.” Even back in those lazy days, we were working our ass off to train and equip the ANA and ANP. Alas, spending millions per month on uniforms, training equipment, and MPRI trainers didn’t work.

I’ll keep reading your blog, even though you are arrogant and smug, because you occassionaly have something noteworthy to say, but don’t call me or the people I served with lazy or half-assed. You should think a little more before you punditize.

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Joshua Foust October 2, 2009 at 5:52 am

Keith,

I wasn’t talking about individual missions, and especially not the soldiers doing them. This post here is about strategy and methods—frankly, I’m surprised you can look at the overall American stance toward Afghanistan from 05-07 and not say it was lazy and half-assed… especially when all our resources, time, and media fury went toward Iraq.

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David M October 2, 2009 at 9:54 am

The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the blog post From the Front: 10/02/2009 News and Personal dispatches from the front and the home front.

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DE TEdooru October 2, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Imagine US constriction and pull out to Pakistan by common accord. Who would fill the vacuum? Why the Shanghai Accord, of course, about which Americans know nothing because Russia, China, Iran, Pakistan, Burma, India and Central Asian “..stans” don’t want the US to know how well it is firming up. The reason is clear; only when facing up to the reckless foreign policy of the Bush Era because we are hated for how we milked the end of the Cold War economically the way we milked the end of WW I, not WWII. Of course, Bush was the UNdecider and what one author called “the wrecking crew” around him usurped his authority, even after he hung on to Condi Rice’s leg in fear of making decisions. Still, it was his era and we must face its consequences. Here’s an older STRATEGIC FORUM piece on the SCO by Eugene Rumer. It gives a good taste for why no one will speak to us about what happens if we leave the area:
http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Strforum/SF223/SF223.pdf

The Russia China alliance– internal dialectics and contradictions notwithstanding– was forged by a determination to end America’s UNIPOLAR MOMENT because US has been since Bill Clinton a rapacious entrepreneurial (French for TAKER IN-BETWWEN) force and all its members want revenge. Of course, none want a nutty Jihadi base in Afghanistan that could be dangerous to ALL of them. So consider if we just pull out. Reading the McChrystal Report I must say that it reads like a bad high school term paper and, like the Petraeus analysis of the Vietnam War (were he not military would they have awarded him a PhD for that?) leads to the conclusion that in the end we have a Pentagon full of thugs, opportunists (eg. Franks) and crooks that milk to the fullest America’s only manufacturing industry. It’s time to pull out of our CURUSADES against Islam– we killed enough Muslims in our revenge– and constrict our expenditures. In the meantime we might try to generate better intellect in the military that this McChrystal Report:
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Assessment_Redacted_092109.pdf?hpid=topnews

I had retired hoping to write a book on the Vietnam War as seen by Viets on both sides from my decade involvement with it. Hanoi is now releasing a lot of materials and there’s a lot of good analysis by scholars crying for a second look at the global “victory” by Nixon (without which Reagan would have never ended the Cold War) that many others see as local defeat. A general on loan to the Bush White House warned me: if you want a dialogue with me on Iraq don’t ever dare bring up that looossseeer’s war, Vietnam. HA! But I was in the WTC on 9/11 and felt obliged to deal with the big secret that Bush kept for the airlines: IF THE RULES SET IN THE 70S DURING A SPADE OF SHKYJACKINGS HAD BEEN OBEYED, KEEPING THE PILOT’S CABIN IMPENETRABLE AND TWO SKY MARSHALS ON EVERY AIRLINER, 9/11 WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, So 4 airliners were taken over in 10 min. each. This is important now because Americans have to decide if they want to waste their heroic moms and dads in the military (creating needlessly a generation of orphans and widows) in worthless combat led by incompetent generals– like the Roman Legions in the Germanic Wars– or if they want to invest in security at much less cost while rebuilding the nation’s manufacturing economy so we can save our $. The star whores at the Pentagon are far too used to almost limitless budgets to make the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about rich and they can have comfy slots in it when they retire. We pissed away a fortune in Iraqi and Afghan Wars, drunk on the idea of perpetuating our “unipolar moment” trumpeted by neocons, paid by weapons industries fearing cuts after the Cold War, calling for “World War IV” Crusades against Islam. The generals did to our security what Wall Street brokers did to our economy– when do you have enough of greed and idiocy in a toxic mix? And it all started with Bush’s lie about how HOT is alQaeda instead of admitting that 9/11 was OUR fault because we were not obeying our own safety rules, not binLaden’s brilliance. We citizens are assumed so dumb that Odierno, Petraeus and McChrystal, along with the retired TV propaganda generals, think that all they have to do is utter hot button words and the money starts flowing, as if they were magicians and we Pavlovian dogs. Well, that’s what Wall Street thought and now we are OWNED by China. Anyone who knows China knows that it is short-term very pragmatic and long-term full of vengeful memories. SO NOW MODESTY IS THE BEST POLICY TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY. If Obama retreats to Pakistan and abandons Central Asia to the Shanghai Accord, we buy strategic time by dumping our Afghan mess into their lap. IT WILL KEEP THEM BUSY while we tool up to compete in the “Green” economy of the future.

It pained me watching the Vietnam War as a career machine for people on both sides who really didn’t give a damn. Are we doing the same with this phony War on Terror?

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Toryalay Shirzay October 2, 2009 at 9:32 pm

A fascinating development has been unfolding in the past few weeks and now spreading wide the thick: massive confusion about what to do about the war on international terrorism and Af-pak epicenter.I can’t offer any solution here as it is not the right place.For now I will remain an observer over the chess game of this war,but watch your moves ,it can be quite lethal.We shall observe how smart the supposedly ultra-smart superpower can tackle this chess game!Already the UN pulled the rug from under one of its moves by tossing out its top fighter.The game is getting intense,the temperature rising to steaming levels and the world is watching ……..

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sayke October 3, 2009 at 5:27 am

well put josh. the four alternatives to mccrystal’s escalation plan are all completely unfeasible, and that needs to be made clear to this administration, who will then inshallah make it clear to the general public… but we need to do our parts too…

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nir rosen October 3, 2009 at 5:38 pm

gelb is also the genius who was proposing in 2003 to divide up iraq into small pieces, another baffling idea that would have led to an earlier, and much worse, civil war than what we saw. i wrote about it at the time: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EK27Ak05.html

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