Did you see the IMU shootout in Jalalabad? No, not the Jalalabad that hasn’t seen an IMU militant since 2001. I mean the one in Kyrgyzstan.
The press secretary of Kyrgyzstan’s Jalal-Abad regional administration says five armed individuals killed by Kyrgyz national security troops were members of the banned extremist group the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU).
Speaking to RFE/RL’s Kyrgyz Service, Orozali Karasartov said that Kyrgyz national security troops located a group of IMU members in a house in the region’s Suzak district.
Kyrgyz officials later claimed they were suicide bombers from the IMU who had trained in Pakistan. Is it possible? Yes. Probable? Who knows. Right now there’s no obvious reason for them to make this up, unless it’s some weird ploy for the upcoming election. But we’ll be keeping an eye on it.
Meanwhile, what is going on in Tajikistan?
Tajikistan said Wednesday that the alleged leader of a banned Islamic movement and dozens of followers have been arrested on charges of inciting religious hatred…
Security Service officers detained Mullo Sirodzhiddin, leader of the ultraconservative Salafiya movement, and about 40 followers Tuesday during a sermon at a mosque in the capital, Dushanbe, the Interior Ministry said.
The Salafiya movement, which has been banned in Tajikistan since the beginning of the year, is estimated to have an overall membership in Tajikistan of around 20,000 people, mostly young men.
Salafism is an ultraconservative Islamic movement that has grown in popularity across the Middle East and in Central Asia in recent decades. It preaches strict segregation of the sexes and resists any innovation in religion or adoption of Western ways.
Tajik authorities accuse the group of espousing an extremist religious ideology and posing a security risk to the country. They say many of Salafiya’s members received their religious training at madrassas, or religious schools, in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
What’s interesting is that the Tajik authorities have defined extremism as anything that challenges the cultural status quo and resists western ideas of morality. By that definition, Hizb-ut Tahrir is also an extremist organization. Then again, so are Jehovah’s Witnesses, who apparently subverted Rahmon’s regime by pledging non-violence and refusing military service. What’s interesting about these movements is, best anyone can tell they’re not responsible for violence… yet. Simply labeling an organization like HUT Islamist—which is true—but immediately noting that Tajikistan had a tragic civil war where one faction was Islamist, however, which seems to be the game the AP is playing, is deeply misleading. The Islamist group Hizb-ut Tahrir had nothing to do with the Islamists during Tajikistan’s civil war (still rumored to be deep in the Pamirs, but who knows).
HUT in particular is explicit in its belief in non-violence and political means to achieve shari’a. Jehovah’s Witnesses are similarly non-violent in their preaching. While it is certainly possible there’s some evidence somewhere that the Salafiya preacher and his followers are in fact on the verge of committing horrible violence in pursuit of their faith… we don’t have any of it, and for the time being it seems to be just another excuse for the government to crack down on a religious movement it dislikes and cannot control.
But I could have sketchy and incomplete information. You guys know anything?
Previously:
Is the IJU faked?
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HuT is a sticky organization. Their stated end goal is not simply the achievement of “sharia” as you put it, but the revival of the caliphate and therefore the overthrow of all secular Muslim majority states. As you note, they are non-violent (or at least publicly claim to be) but their program is very murky. Basically it’s the underwear gnomes scenario. Step 1: faithful Muslims. Step 2: ? Step 3: Caliphate.
Step two is apparently pretty vague.
I wish I could find a link, but I’ve read interviews with (self-proclaimed) HuT organizers in the past in which the interviewer has pressed them on step two. (As an aside, can we please call the HuT program the “Underwear Gnomes’ Method for Restoring the Caliphate?) In at least this one case, the subjects of the interview said that there would, of course, have to be a “spasm” of great violence immediately prior to the restoration, but that it would be brief. And anyway, because hey, Caliphate!
As an organization, I can’t really take them any more seriously as a threat to governments and civil order than I can white nationalist groups in the West. However, I do think that individuals in these organizations can get kind of antsy about actualizing step three, and acting as individuals or small groups of individuals from within the organization, commit acts of violence. Of course,there’s no reliable evidence any HuT members have in fact done this, but I don’t find it implausible.
Jehovah’s Witnesses usually don’t meddle in local politics,they did hook up with the World UN for political advantage.
I was a Jehovah’s Witness born 3rd generation in 1957 until I got out,they are not a peaceful body,the Watchtower Society leadership is an oppressive cruel high control cult to followers.
Moreover,they believe in the imminent Armageddon deaths of all 6 billion of the world’s population who are non members.So,this does make them an extremist group.
Wow, Haszard, are you a liar! JWs do not take up arms, do not get involved in political battles or ideologies – and are willing to go to prison (or worse) to follow Jesus command to love thy neighbor. Why haven’t other faiths held strong to Jesus primary teachings?
Instead they abandoned the word and murdered each other (including members of their own faiths) by the tens of millions through the biggest mind control scam of them all – nationalism. Thankfully, not one was killed by a JW.
Meanwhile, all you seem to share is hate.
“As an organization, I can’t really take them any more seriously as a threat to governments and civil order than I can white nationalist groups in the West.”
Well, in ex-Soviet Eurasia, it basically serves the same purpose as Goldstein and the Brotherhood in Orwell’s ‘1984′: the allegedly omnipresent, virtual and as such especially convenient ‘threat’ that keeps part of the system going. Apart from that, we all know what the de facto definition of ‘extremism’ in the region is: basically everything that is not at the leash of/legitimizing the regime.
Is the Salafiyya ‘conservative’? IMHO not. Rather ‘governmental islam’ is.
Like the title of this posting btw.
BTW, Noah Tucker, now that we’re at ‘extremism’: how do you feel towards (possible) violence against the regime in Iran?
The Jehovah’s Witnesses are a hard core cult, counterfeit Christian ‘wolves in sheep’s clothing’ cult in every way.
They are worse than Scientology because they invade our private property to propagate their propaganda.
Jehovah witnesses area bunch of fakes,and a fake is a snake
Danny Haszard is correct
The Watchtower’s Jehovah’s Witnesses United Nations hypocrisy is shocking it’s like a devout Catholic,learning that their Pope secretly supports abortion.
Click my name for link to fast facts
The hate-trolls are sure out in force on this one. Don’t you guys have a forum in some corner of the internet where you can spew dehumanizing hate back-and-forth to people who get off on that sort of thing? You are sad, sad little people.
Personally, I’m disappointed that I never managed to get a similar response on here after going after Scientologists. Who knew that Jehovah’s Witnesses were such a contentious issue?
I guess if this goes on, I’ll have to engage in some comment deletion.
Is there so little news about JWs that one mention of them on Registan brings a sampling of trolls for our amusement? In any event, let them grumble under the bridge – until they threaten the structural integrity, that is.
Jehovah’s witnesses are heretical cult and this article tells it very assertively.
http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/jehovaswitnesses
@jimjack e.a.: indeed, evangelist sects (generally speaking, not only the JW) do not take up arms. But what they do is often more pernicious. I have seen them at work in Kyr and Taj. Even if their heydays in Kyr seem to be somewhat over, they exploit social vulnerability, often destroy entire families by brainwashing members and set them up against the other, and they lure people with promises of humanitarian aid, stipends and so on. They have a lot of resources from outside, and when they are being harrassed they can immediately rely on Western diplomatic support.
Last, but not least, until recently, evangelists were very close to the establishment of the world’s main military power.
BTW, the lack of an answer to my question on Iran suggests… a bit of double standarding on this matter?
Turgai–How does not responding to an unrelated aside vaguely meant to comment-bait me mean that you can assume something about my opinions on an issue unrelated to anything we’ve ever discussed?
I don’t understand what the double standard would even be. Or what the “matter” is at this point. This thread got so far off topic that I quit reading after the second hysterical anti-JW post.
NOAH THE WATCHTOWER WANTS YOUR SOUL.
Well, I’m sorry, what do you THINK the topic was?
Interesting. Its worth noting that Mirzo Ziyoyev – former UTO rebel commander and Emergency Situations minister – got killed by Tajik state security. At the same time that old IMU members start showing up back in Central Asia?
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