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	<title>Comments on: Turkmenistan&#8217;s cult leader-president dies. Future of country unclear.</title>
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		<title>By: Ataman Rakin</title>
		<link>http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/12/21/turkmenistans-cult-leader-president-dies-future-of-country-unclear-2/comment-page-1/#comment-311995</link>
		<dc:creator>Ataman Rakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and also expect Elvis and UFO stories to mushroom soon... style Niyazov-is-not- dead-at-all but retired in a mansion in Dubai or has been seen in a petrol station near Novosibirsk.  LOL :) You had those also about Kyrgyz don Rypsbek after he was shot.

Matt, IMHO a military coup is unlikely because the regular army is not a big deal in Turkmenistan. The main components of Niyazov&#039;s repression apparatus are/were a) the neo-KGB and b) the Presidential Guard which also occasionally serves a as a death squad. There might be coup plotting in the neo-KGB, yes.

This is the reason why I think that the Niyazov/North Korea comparison doesn&#039;t add up. It may be sexy in the press, and the grotesque personality cult is indeed very similar, yet there are fundamental differences: a) in North Korea, the Communist Party apparatus and its sub-organisations are very developed and all-present (not so in Turkmenistan where the presidential party is basically an empty shell); b) the military are huge and have a lot of political-economic weight in North Korea which is not the case in Turkmenistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and also expect Elvis and UFO stories to mushroom soon&#8230; style Niyazov-is-not- dead-at-all but retired in a mansion in Dubai or has been seen in a petrol station near Novosibirsk.  LOL <img src='http://www.registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  You had those also about Kyrgyz don Rypsbek after he was shot.</p>
<p>Matt, IMHO a military coup is unlikely because the regular army is not a big deal in Turkmenistan. The main components of Niyazov&#8217;s repression apparatus are/were a) the neo-KGB and b) the Presidential Guard which also occasionally serves a as a death squad. There might be coup plotting in the neo-KGB, yes.</p>
<p>This is the reason why I think that the Niyazov/North Korea comparison doesn&#8217;t add up. It may be sexy in the press, and the grotesque personality cult is indeed very similar, yet there are fundamental differences: a) in North Korea, the Communist Party apparatus and its sub-organisations are very developed and all-present (not so in Turkmenistan where the presidential party is basically an empty shell); b) the military are huge and have a lot of political-economic weight in North Korea which is not the case in Turkmenistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the Health Minister,  Berdymukhamedov, has launched a power grab. The designated successor, the speaker of parliament, is out of his job following criminal charges...seems like a Niyazov styled sacking to me. And why has the actual Prime Minister not taken over? Berdymukhamedov is looking like he could be just as ruthless as his predeccesor so far. 

Expect some major trouble...the other parties jockeying for power arent going to tolerate living under subordination a second time around. First Central Asian military coup anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the Health Minister,  Berdymukhamedov, has launched a power grab. The designated successor, the speaker of parliament, is out of his job following criminal charges&#8230;seems like a Niyazov styled sacking to me. And why has the actual Prime Minister not taken over? Berdymukhamedov is looking like he could be just as ruthless as his predeccesor so far. </p>
<p>Expect some major trouble&#8230;the other parties jockeying for power arent going to tolerate living under subordination a second time around. First Central Asian military coup anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov Wikipedia is doing a good job of updating....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saparmurat_Niyazov</a> Wikipedia is doing a good job of updating&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hip hip hoorah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hip hip hoorah!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my God!  This is huge.  

And if anyone mentions IFIs/IMF etc, I&#039;m going to want to slap them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my God!  This is huge.  </p>
<p>And if anyone mentions IFIs/IMF etc, I&#8217;m going to want to slap them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spoke with a friend of mine on the phone who&#039;s just returned to Ashgabat for Christmas break.  He indicated that the airport was closed to incoming traffic, including the BA plane that has his lost suitcase on it.

I was planning on flying back home to Turkmenistan with him in May after the semester was over, I wonder if this will be safe/viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spoke with a friend of mine on the phone who&#8217;s just returned to Ashgabat for Christmas break.  He indicated that the airport was closed to incoming traffic, including the BA plane that has his lost suitcase on it.</p>
<p>I was planning on flying back home to Turkmenistan with him in May after the semester was over, I wonder if this will be safe/viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my my friend Raihon pointed out (Nathan, did you meet her?), Bashi put anyone with potential leadership ability in prison.  So none of those people will be eligible for the presidency as they have a criminal record.  

I still have to process this, I really thought he was going to be one of those whack-jobs that live forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my my friend Raihon pointed out (Nathan, did you meet her?), Bashi put anyone with potential leadership ability in prison.  So none of those people will be eligible for the presidency as they have a criminal record.  </p>
<p>I still have to process this, I really thought he was going to be one of those whack-jobs that live forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this is huge on many fronts. Some people are already discussing &#039;returning home...&#039;, not to mention the reactions with the neighbors to the north, east and south... 

No matter what Lavrov &amp; US Embassy say about &#039;smooth, lawful transition&#039; there are some serious gaps (as the BBC pointed out, hysterically) in the constitutional law in TK, that will impact the next two months. I can&#039;t reconcile this feeling of euphoria with the sad truth that this could be really messy...I mean, for those of us that had traveled to Ashgabat, this guy was certifiably nuts and scared the hell out of his entire population...but what follows in such a power vacuum? Stay tuned...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this is huge on many fronts. Some people are already discussing &#8216;returning home&#8230;&#8217;, not to mention the reactions with the neighbors to the north, east and south&#8230; </p>
<p>No matter what Lavrov &amp; US Embassy say about &#8217;smooth, lawful transition&#8217; there are some serious gaps (as the BBC pointed out, hysterically) in the constitutional law in TK, that will impact the next two months. I can&#8217;t reconcile this feeling of euphoria with the sad truth that this could be really messy&#8230;I mean, for those of us that had traveled to Ashgabat, this guy was certifiably nuts and scared the hell out of his entire population&#8230;but what follows in such a power vacuum? Stay tuned&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 14:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy. Freakin&#039;. Crap.

This will be interesting. And I agree that Bouygues will probably shed the most tears. And German doctors...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy. Freakin&#8217;. Crap.</p>
<p>This will be interesting. And I agree that Bouygues will probably shed the most tears. And German doctors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ataman Rakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ataman Rakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 09:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ma&#039;ashallah!!! 

&quot;Every self will taste death. You will be paid your wages in full on the Day of Resurrection. Anyone who is distanced from the Fire and admitted to the Garden has triumphed. The life of the world is just the enjoyment of delusion. (Qu&#039;ran al-Kerim, Surah Al &#039;Imran: 185)&quot;


Well, however, I would really not be surprised if he enacted it as well as his coming resurrection. :) Either case, the one who will weep most is his favorite marble palace contractor Bouygues (http://www.bouygues.fr/fr/index.asp) I think... LOL :)

The most interesting question now is: what, and who, next for Turkmenistan for he was the state apparatus and regime. IMO, at present, that can be everything from a &#039;Somalia light&#039; kind of state implosion to a surprisingly smooth, Putin-like succession by someone who was already behind the screens (in that respect, the actual position and role of his son Marat was always a very shady matter; but it can also be someone else). 

Let&#039;s see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ma&#8217;ashallah!!! </p>
<p>&#8220;Every self will taste death. You will be paid your wages in full on the Day of Resurrection. Anyone who is distanced from the Fire and admitted to the Garden has triumphed. The life of the world is just the enjoyment of delusion. (Qu&#8217;ran al-Kerim, Surah Al &#8216;Imran: 185)&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, however, I would really not be surprised if he enacted it as well as his coming resurrection. <img src='http://www.registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Either case, the one who will weep most is his favorite marble palace contractor Bouygues (<a href="http://www.bouygues.fr/fr/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.bouygues.fr/fr/index.asp</a>) I think&#8230; LOL <img src='http://www.registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The most interesting question now is: what, and who, next for Turkmenistan for he was the state apparatus and regime. IMO, at present, that can be everything from a &#8216;Somalia light&#8217; kind of state implosion to a surprisingly smooth, Putin-like succession by someone who was already behind the screens (in that respect, the actual position and role of his son Marat was always a very shady matter; but it can also be someone else). </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see.</p>
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