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		<title>By: Ben Paarmann</title>
		<link>http://www.registan.net/index.php/2005/09/01/cotton-embargo-blogging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-60145</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Paarmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sue to the blogosphere. Nathan over at the Registan has posts on a cotton-embargo here and here. The latter post has lots of trackbacks to discussions underway in other blogs. Sepra and The Sharpener have [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sue to the blogosphere. Nathan over at the Registan has posts on a cotton-embargo here and here. The latter post has lots of trackbacks to discussions underway in other blogs. Sepra and The Sharpener have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt W</title>
		<link>http://www.registan.net/index.php/2005/09/01/cotton-embargo-blogging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-59961</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan-- It&#039;s my understanding of the quota system that it gets upped at several levels. The Central government gives provincial hokims quotas, but since the penalty for hokims of not meeting this is so stiff (often firing), they set much higher quotas for individual districts-- and this dynamic is repeated at the district level, as district hokims plant more than is demanded of them by provincial hokims, again, so as to avoid not meeting the quota in the event of a below-average growing season. Whether this is repeated again at the shirkat (collective farm) level I do not know (I haven&#039;t heard that it is, but would not be surprised). 

It would be interesting to know whether pilfering / smuggling by individual farmers is more of a problem, or if local governments do this in a more organized fashion and on a wider scale. 

For what it&#039;s worth, I have also heard (and I stress that this is on the level of rumor) that ijara cotton farmers (the &quot;sharecroppers&quot;) will often plant something else in the middle of cotton fields (so it is invisible from the road), such as tomatoes, etc., and sell that. 

An embargo would certainly be annoying for the Uzbek government and would undoubtedly call attention to its human rights abuses and contempt for its own citizens, but its hard to imagine that Russia, China, or even India would refuse to purchase Uzbek cotton. Nor would an embargo affect the cotton monoculture even if it did tangibly hurt the government-- cotton won&#039;t rot in the fields like tomatoes or strawberries-- it can be stored for long periods of time in warehouses-- i.e. it is ideally suited for expropriation by a slow-working, heavy-handed bureaucracy. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan&#8211; It&#8217;s my understanding of the quota system that it gets upped at several levels. The Central government gives provincial hokims quotas, but since the penalty for hokims of not meeting this is so stiff (often firing), they set much higher quotas for individual districts&#8211; and this dynamic is repeated at the district level, as district hokims plant more than is demanded of them by provincial hokims, again, so as to avoid not meeting the quota in the event of a below-average growing season. Whether this is repeated again at the shirkat (collective farm) level I do not know (I haven&#8217;t heard that it is, but would not be surprised). </p>
<p>It would be interesting to know whether pilfering / smuggling by individual farmers is more of a problem, or if local governments do this in a more organized fashion and on a wider scale. </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I have also heard (and I stress that this is on the level of rumor) that ijara cotton farmers (the &#8220;sharecroppers&#8221;) will often plant something else in the middle of cotton fields (so it is invisible from the road), such as tomatoes, etc., and sell that. </p>
<p>An embargo would certainly be annoying for the Uzbek government and would undoubtedly call attention to its human rights abuses and contempt for its own citizens, but its hard to imagine that Russia, China, or even India would refuse to purchase Uzbek cotton. Nor would an embargo affect the cotton monoculture even if it did tangibly hurt the government&#8211; cotton won&#8217;t rot in the fields like tomatoes or strawberries&#8211; it can be stored for long periods of time in warehouses&#8211; i.e. it is ideally suited for expropriation by a slow-working, heavy-handed bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Holledge</title>
		<link>http://www.registan.net/index.php/2005/09/01/cotton-embargo-blogging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-59689</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Holledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My trackback attempt also seems to have failed . . . my small contribution to this discussion is at:

http://www.skakagrall.com/archives/000561focus_on_uzbekistan.html

Do we know what percentage of the cotton goes to China?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My trackback attempt also seems to have failed . . . my small contribution to this discussion is at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.skakagrall.com/archives/000561focus_on_uzbekistan.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.skakagrall.com/archives/000561focus_on_uzbekistan.html</a></p>
<p>Do we know what percentage of the cotton goes to China?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I&#039;ve got any of this wrong, I hope someone will correct me.

One of your concerns--the loss of money paid to farmers--may be something to not be too worried about. As I understand it, the Uzbek system (I&#039;m pretty sure that Kazakhstan&#039;s cotton industry is structured differently and has much less state interference.) requires that farmers lease land from the state to grow cotton. Then the state requires that all farmers sell a quota to the state below market prices. Whatever&#039;s left can be sold at market rates. 

But for a lot of reasons (the soil being degraded from years of cotton monoculture not the least of them) there&#039;s no way quotas will even be met. Fantastical estimates of cotton harvests go back quite a long time as this wonderful joke indicates:

An official asks an Uzbek collective farm boss about the year’s cotton harvest:
Official: “Comrade, how is this year’s harvest?”
Farmer: “The cotton piles up above the ankles of Allah!”
Official: “But comrade, there is no God in the Soviet Union!”
Farme: “That’s good, because there’s no cotton either!”

It&#039;s not much of an exaggeration to say that Uzbek cotton farmers are serfs. They don&#039;t own their land and their labor benefits the lord of the plantations.

It&#039;s no wonder cotton smuggling has been such a problem.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;ve got any of this wrong, I hope someone will correct me.</p>
<p>One of your concerns&#8211;the loss of money paid to farmers&#8211;may be something to not be too worried about. As I understand it, the Uzbek system (I&#8217;m pretty sure that Kazakhstan&#8217;s cotton industry is structured differently and has much less state interference.) requires that farmers lease land from the state to grow cotton. Then the state requires that all farmers sell a quota to the state below market prices. Whatever&#8217;s left can be sold at market rates. </p>
<p>But for a lot of reasons (the soil being degraded from years of cotton monoculture not the least of them) there&#8217;s no way quotas will even be met. Fantastical estimates of cotton harvests go back quite a long time as this wonderful joke indicates:</p>
<p>An official asks an Uzbek collective farm boss about the year’s cotton harvest:<br />
Official: “Comrade, how is this year’s harvest?”<br />
Farmer: “The cotton piles up above the ankles of Allah!”<br />
Official: “But comrade, there is no God in the Soviet Union!”<br />
Farme: “That’s good, because there’s no cotton either!”</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not much of an exaggeration to say that Uzbek cotton farmers are serfs. They don&#8217;t own their land and their labor benefits the lord of the plantations.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder cotton smuggling has been such a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://www.registan.net/index.php/2005/09/01/cotton-embargo-blogging-2/comment-page-1/#comment-59528</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 02:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trackback also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crescatsententia.org/archives/2005_09_01.html#005881&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;failed me&lt;/a&gt;.  I&#039;m not convinced that cotton sanctions passes a cost/benefit analysis --- I admit I don&#039;t know enough --- but I am for publicizing the word (or, the Economist&#039;s word, as it is) about Karimov.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trackback also <a href="http://www.crescatsententia.org/archives/2005_09_01.html#005881" rel="nofollow">failed me</a>.  I&#8217;m not convinced that cotton sanctions passes a cost/benefit analysis &#8212; I admit I don&#8217;t know enough &#8212; but I am for publicizing the word (or, the Economist&#8217;s word, as it is) about Karimov.</p>
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		<title>By: sheshrugged</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheshrugged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fresh post at &lt;a href=&quot;http://pitchinforuz.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PitchInForUz&lt;/a&gt;...

Sorry, I can&#039;t get trackback to work :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fresh post at <a href="http://pitchinforuz.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">PitchInForUz</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t get trackback to work <img src='http://www.registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to point out that the post I did is really, really raw and I&#039;ll edit it tonight when I get home from work.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to point out that the post I did is really, really raw and I&#8217;ll edit it tonight when I get home from work.  Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: seprah.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>seprah.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;When he said go back to your cotton sack I left him dying in the dirt&lt;/strong&gt;

I am sure that there will be plenty of posts today about how one crop systems don&#039;t work and how it will punish the elite who take the profits from forced labor. So, I will talk about it from a humanitarian position, and use the things I have seen per...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>When he said go back to your cotton sack I left him dying in the dirt</strong></p>
<p>I am sure that there will be plenty of posts today about how one crop systems don&#8217;t work and how it will punish the elite who take the profits from forced labor. So, I will talk about it from a humanitarian position, and use the things I have seen per&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dan r</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What drives support for this torturer?

1st september is independence day in the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan. Had true independence ever reached this beleagured country there would be no need to write this article today. However, Islam Karimov, the current dictator of the country, seems intent on ensuring that Uzbeks are mere obstacles in the path of his greater glorification, to be suppressed and tortured at whim...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What drives support for this torturer?</p>
<p>1st september is independence day in the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan. Had true independence ever reached this beleagured country there would be no need to write this article today. However, Islam Karimov, the current dictator of the country, seems intent on ensuring that Uzbeks are mere obstacles in the path of his greater glorification, to be suppressed and tortured at whim&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bloggerheads</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bloggerheads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Ballad of Islam Karimov&lt;/strong&gt;

Come and listen to a story about Islam Karimov And Uzbekistan, the land he&#039;d like to stay in power of. He&#039;s a tyrant and a murderer, I&#039;m sorry to be rude, But the reason we ignore it all is equally...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Ballad of Islam Karimov</strong></p>
<p>Come and listen to a story about Islam Karimov And Uzbekistan, the land he&#8217;d like to stay in power of. He&#8217;s a tyrant and a murderer, I&#8217;m sorry to be rude, But the reason we ignore it all is equally&#8230;</p>
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